In the course of the comments to my recent post, If no one’s being hurt, God’s okay with your sexuality, a woman wrote to share that she is polyamorous—specifically meaning, in her case that she is (as I learned) living with, in love with, deeply committed to, and basically in all ways but legally married to a man and a woman.
I asked our new acquittance if she would be willing to let me interview her. At first she was reticent—but, as she put it, “the opportunity to share with others a glimpse into our life is too good to pass up.”
Could you give us a quick definition of what polyamorous is/means?
Honestly, the term “polyamorous” wasn’t on our radar when we fell in love. It was later that we discovered there was a term for what we were. If we need a term, we consider ourselves “poly-fidelitous,” which is what poly’s call those who love more than one person in a long-term, faithful kind of way. Some people consider themselves polyamorous because they believe they need and/or want to be in multiple relationships at any given time. This is not a good description of us. We all feel we could be satisfied with just one person. It’s just that we fell in love with two, pretty much all at the same time . . and we discovered (through lots of open and honest communication!) that we were all not just okay with it, but that it was something we wanted.
Truthfully, we don’t think of ourselves as polyamorous. We just think of ourselves as us.
How many people are in your relationship?
Three. One man, two women.
How long have you guys been together?
We have been dear friends for a very long time, with children who grew up as babies together.
How old are you guys?
38, 39, 41.
Were any two of you in a relationship before the third one of you joined it?
I was a (divorced) single mother, and they were a happily married couple. After my divorce, I had the joy of finally being free from an abusive marriage. I was supporting four children with very little support, but managing. She had been my best friend for years, and we’ve always been closer than sisters. People used to always comment on how close we were, but we never realized that could be sexual, too. Both of us were raised to not even be aware that was a possibility.
Long story short, the three of us began doing more and more things together and it just . . . worked really well. We got along incredibly, the three of us, and at some point, my best friend realized she had feelings for me. She was the one who began the conversation about, “What if . . ?” A lot of talking, a lot of thinking, all of us talking together as well as doing a lot of thinking on our own, individually. I realized I had feelings for her (and for him), all feelings that were completely buried (since it was impossible to love either them like that, right?) . . .
So it was something the three of you consciously worked out together.
Yes. We all felt very excited when we realized that we were in love and that we all wanted the same thing (a long-term committed relationship as three). And then there was a LOT of open and honest communication, of course. There has to be with any successful couple, and so with three people, even more so. It was very important to us that every single person was on the exact same page, or there was no way we were doing anything. No one felt pushed or coerced into anything. We really tried to look at this from a number of different angles, including the potential problems we could have, and kept feeling okay about taking another step forward. Every step forward just felt so right on so many different levels, and doors kept opening up right and left. There were numerous points where we would look at each other and say, “It’s so weird, but if I was still a fundamentalist Christian, I would say that God is blessing us…”
We took very small and careful steps forward, hesitantly, every inch of the way being shocked at how nice, how perfect, how healthy, how “just right” it always felt. Our fears about each next step were always replaced by fearfully taking it and then finding it delightful.
We laughingly still can’t believe we had the guts to even try this in the first place!
Do you all live together?
Yep. Wouldn’t have it any other way. The year that we lived apart was HORRIBLE. Fun, in that it was a new relationship, so it was exciting, but totally exhausting. The minute we bought our big house together, we all breathed a collective sigh of relief. Then came the adjustment of blending two families. That takes time, but we parent in very similar ways, and the children and teens already were very close, so it all meshed together well, too. If we didn’t think the two families had the ability to blend well together, we never would have done it in the first place, because we feel very strongly about our kids and want the best for them.
How long have you been living together?
Two years this spring.
Is jealousy a problem? Like, if one of you feels left out of something the other two are doing or feeling?
Jealousy was something we struggled with at first. We were excited that we all loved each other, but it was easy to feel insecure. If I saw them being super affectionate, I might worry, “Oh, no! They have all these years of marriage together. There’s no way I can ever compete!” If he saw us being affectionate, he might worry, “Oh, no! They have been best friends since forever. They probably won’t even want me around!” If she saw us being affectionate, she might say, “Oh, no! They are going to hit it off and decide they don’t need me!”
That was what we would worry about, but it wasn’t ever actually true, as we would discover when we would share our fears with each other. We had yet to learn that love can be bigger than two. The realization that each leg of the relationship must be strong or the whole thing falls apart was a major discovery for us, and one that helped us shift into a truly solid loving relationship as a three.
We learned that if I am deeply in love with him, it strengthens and supports my loving relationship with her (and her relationship with him, too), and so on. Normally, you think that if your significant other is in love with someone else, it weakens your relationship with them. In our case, since we are a three-person relationship, seeing my lovers relate happily together means that our three-person relationship is stable and supportive. Their love strengthens my individual relationships with them both and our relationship all together as a three.
It took a little while for us to wrap our heads around that one, because it is so different than how we grew up thinking about the way love works. Once we learned to see our partner’s individual relationship together as a strength and not a threat, we found ourselves released from the trap of jealousy and insecurity and that let us nurture and grow a deepening love. Insecurities still arise from time to time, just as they do in any relationship, but it’s on a much different level now—just normal occasional stuff. Mostly, we just have a lot of fun together.
To what if any degree do you guys feel compelled to hide your relationship from the rest of the world? Is that hard on you psychologically, not being able to be open about who you are and how you live?
I personally feel very compelled to be in the closet, almost entirely because of our children and for the safety of our professional careers. There are eight kids in our house, and we live in an extremely conservative town in a very Republican part of the South. The kind of town where a gay kid will probably commit suicide one of these days. There is a conservative church on almost every corner, and the few people who have been brave enough to be openly gay have experienced a lot of trouble.
We decided we didn’t want to risk our children being persecuted for our choices. Also, employment-wise, we are all professionals in our careers and while we do great work, we know that many employers are openly right-wing and openly homophobic (and so we can only guess what they would feel towards us, if they knew). One man I have to work with sometimes, someone with a lot of power in my field, openly expresses that he believes gay people have a psychological illness.
So we live as just “house-mates,” including in front of our children. We have differed a little bit on this, as I mentioned, and I am the one who is the most hesitant about coming out. My two lovers have been really kind about respecting my fears about the children and agree to keep it private for now, but we all look forward for the day when we can just be open.
The teenagers know that we are all in a relationship together, since it’s pretty hard to keep anything from teenagers, but the younger children do not. They just know that we are all best-friends. The teenagers were upset at first, but have grown to like it. One of them recently said, “I can’t believe I ever thought it would be weird for you all being together. I love having two moms!”
One set of our parents found out, through extremely disrespectful snooping, and pretty much disowned their adult child. They told my partner that they wished she had died in a car accident because at least then, she would have still gone to heaven. They said and did some pretty horrible things, along with then spreading “Christian” rumors (you know, asking for “prayer”). So, um, that was fun to go through. With family like that, who needs enemies, right?
I haven’t had the joy of my family finding out yet, but I expect the reaction may be fairly similar. Maybe I am wrong. That would be nice, but I’m not getting my hopes up. It’s strange to think your own relatives would rather see you in an abusive marriage than be in a healthy, happy and stable relationship with two partners. That’s the world we live in, though. It’s just how people are trained to think. It helps if I don’t make it personal and instead just remember that this is how our culture teaches us to think. I was plenty judgmental myself, before I began questioning the religious views I’d grown up believing to be true.
As for being “out” at home, we have a great time at our house and it’s very open that we are all best friends. There is always something to laugh about going on. The three of us are very light-hearted and playful and loving and it makes for a fun living environment. The kids are supported by three adults who love them, and there’s always someone there for the kids when they come home from school or someone to attend the important school event (we arrange work schedules so that the kids are always taken care of).
We consider our home a gift from God to us. Best of all, the master bedroom and office bedroom are attached by a bathroom, so that allows us an adults-only “wing” of the house to be in privately. It will be nice, someday, to be out completely, but that will have to wait until the kids are grown and we can move. For now, the adult wing is our slice of heaven at the end of each day.
How does it work socially? To the world, are you pretending to be really just ONE couple—with, like, a roommate? So that if, say, a married couple asked you out, would just (the same) two of you go, or would all three of you show up, or what?
We often show up as a three. I am the best friend, and they are the married couple. That really bothers my two partners, but, like I said, it’s what I prefer for now. Just as often I will go with one of them to something, and the other adult will stay home with the kids (whether it’s a sporting event or an activity at one of the kid’s schools). People are now pretty used to the fact that we come as an interchangeable unit of three.The other thing is that we really don’t go out all that much. Between raising this many children, all of whom are very active, and working in our professions, which can be demanding, and somehow keeping up with the gigantic amount of laundry our house produces, we don’t have a lot of spare time to go out to social events, even if we wanted to.
What’s the sexual deal? Are each of you bisexual? Do you all sleep in the same bed?
He is not bisexual. I suppose that both of the women are. Well, honestly, I don’t even know if we are. I just know that I love her. And she loves me. And being intimate feels like it makes sense, given the depth of our feelings for each other. We had been incredibly close friends for years, prior, and it never seemed close enough. Now, it feels just right.
We all sleep together every night. The person in the middle gets seriously snuggled on. It’s fun.
Sexually, we have learned a lot about how three people can have an amazingly wonderful experience that feels like making love for everyone. We occasionally joke about the best-selling book we will write about “how to have amazing threesomes” one day. It was delightful to learn that you can have that feeling of being “one” with three. You totally can. That was one of the things we worried about at first—what would we do about sex? Now, my mind automatically assumes that making love takes three.
We are sexual as couples, too, just not as often. We prefer three, as the norm, but enjoy time as couples on occasion, when opportunity allows, which is maybe once a week or so for each of us.
The world is pretty set up for couples. Do you ever feel a desire to be just a “normal” one-on-one coupley relationship? You know what I mean? Does it ever get kind of lonely knowing you’re living out such a radically different kind of love/relationship from the rest of the world?
The only reason I would want to be only a couple is just to be able to walk outside the door of my home while hanging all over my partner. If I wanted to, anyway. I can’t do that. I always took that for granted, as a straight woman in a heterosexual marriage. I never thought about the fact that I “got” to hold my partner’s hand in the grocery store. I just did it if I wanted to. I never thought about the fact that he “could” put his arm around me in a social setting. I just took it for granted. Now, I don’t take those things for granted anymore. It is something that bothers us all. One of my partners swears that this whole experience might just turn her into a full-on gay rights activist marching in parades. We felt bad for gay couples before, but we never actually understood what it FELT like. It’s horrible.
In the beginning of all of this, when we were first talking and wondering, I realized that the only reason I would not be willing to do this was because my society did not approve of it as a valid choice. It just seemed a shame to turn down something that felt so right on so many levels, all because of wanting to maintain social approval. On my death bed, am I going to gasp out, “Well, turned down a joy-filled life with my two best friends, all so that the world would like me!” Never! I like social approval as much as the next person, but it’s not worth choosing over love.
And I do I love my two partners. I love our life together. I love our big happy home. But I do not love the fact that I live in a community that would rather me live as a struggling single mom to four children than to have the support of two adults who love me dearly as a life-partner. The fact that my community would believe wholeheartedly that my sexual relationship with my abusive ex-husband was righteous, but that my sexual relationship with two committed life-partners (if they knew about it) is unrighteous, just seems so hypocritical. It especially makes no sense how they define “biblical marriage,” when the Bible is full of life unions with multiple partners. “One man, one woman,” really? What Bible are they reading, anyway?
Do you know any other polyamorous, or poly-fidelitous … relationship units? (I guess couples isn’t the right word, is it?) But do you know any others like yourselves?
No. I’m sure they are out there, but we don’t know of any personally. That’s okay. Honestly, I don’t think this would work for very many people. The reason it does for us is that we are just the right three people for each other. It’s hard enough to find just the right one person for yourself, much less two! When I think about my relationship as a three, I mostly just feel incredibly lucky, like God is smiling at us. I get to be loved by two best friends and lovers. I get to love two amazing people back (and they really are amazing). I get to love a whole house-full of children. It just feels like so much goodness. When I come home from work and pull into our drive, I smile. I love us!
We knew of a couple who were recently trying to be polyamorous, but, honestly, it seemed like trying to make it okay to have an affair. One partner really wanted to bring in a third, while the other partner pretty much cried and cried and cried about it, and then reluctantly agreed to it only because she felt like she had to. There were kids involved too, to make it even worse. This made us mad. This is not at all what we are or who we are. We felt like it was 100% not okay to force a partner into something like this. We work because we ALL wanted it—no coercion, no pressure, no pushing down the needs of one partner to meet the needs of another. To us, it is not loving or respectful to try and make three when one partner only wants two.
What do you want people to know about people like you, and relationships like yours?
That we are normal solid citizens. That we are professionals that you work with at the office. That we are the teacher in your child’s classroom, the person who delivers your mail, the doctor who looks at your injury. That we are the mom at the soccer games. That we are the dad at the geography bee. That we are the people with the really huge cart of groceries ahead of you in the supermarket line. That we grew up in conservative Christian America and certainly never imagined that we would do something like this. That we certainly weren’t looking for something outside of the norm, but that love found us, and we were willing to step outside of the norm to meet it.
We are not monsters. We are not weirdos. We are just normal every-day people who found that, for us, love could be bigger than two.
John Shore is the author of UNFAIR: Why the “Christian” View of Gays Doesn’t Work, HA!, 10 Ways Christians Fail to be Christian, and others. His website is at JohnShore.com. We encourage you to join/”like” John’s Facebook page.
One Man, Two Women in a Polyamorous Relationship,
Theresa
29 Feb 2012im just sexual 😛
Heather
29 Feb 2012I must say, that was quite interesting and it was nice to see it in a positive light. I don’t think I can understand how they feel, being monogamous myself, but so long as they are happy and healthy and not bothering me, who am to judge?
Lin
29 Feb 2012you can’t pin rules on a thing like love. xx
Josie
29 Feb 2012I’m with Heather. I love my husband and can’t imagine being with anyone else except him. However, It’s not my place to judge others sexual relationships. Love is Love! 🙂
Marissa
29 Feb 2012an interesting read!
Becky
29 Feb 2012Having been in 1 amazing poly relationship, everything she said I could relate to. It was incredible, the closeness of the three of us, the lack of jealousy, and the feeling of being in the middle at night. It was an experience I wouldn’t trade for anything.
Vivienne
29 Feb 2012I’m in a poly relationship with 2 wonderful guyz n its awesome! We have soo much love, respect n fun with each other :-))
Ana
29 Feb 2012I agree Heather! I myself am monogamous but as long as everybody is happy, consents, has fun, and no one gets hurt, I have no problem with it! Who am I to judge, really?
Melissa
29 Feb 2012I am part of a poly trio. It’s not for everyone, but it works for us. We are out to our kids, and all of them love all three of us. There are no limits to love.
Pingback: I feel that I have low self esteem and get jealous too easy? | Stop Jealousy
Pingback: One Man, Two Women in a Polyamorous Relationship | Jeremy Hubbard
Pingback: One Man, Two Women in a Polyamorous Relationship | Beverly D Angelo Bio
Pingback: One Man, Two Women in a Polyamorous Relationship | Msn Celebrity Gossip
Pingback: One Man, Two Women in a Polyamorous Relationship | Budget Vacation Destinations
Pingback: One Man, Two Women in a Polyamorous Relationship | Cheap Romantic Vacation Ideas
Pingback: One Man, Two Women in a Polyamorous Relationship | Entertainment Weekly Subscription
Der
18 Mar 2012Peoples relationships are their own business, but I have seen people in these relationships where people find it hard to find commitment to both partners and often at times, one of the woman was forced into the relationship because their boyfriend/husband wanted to “try” i and enjoyed it and she stayed to satisfy him all the while claiming she does not mind while she does in fact hate it. There are also the cases of the men just wanting to overpower their woman, be “in control” or men who use it as an excuse to “collect” I would personally find it offensive if the person I was with wanted someone to enter our relationship, as if I wasn’t enough. But to each his own. Ya know? Not going to judge them over it. It isnt my relationship.
Kristy
18 Mar 2012so long as the people involved are adults, consenting, and accepting of everything poly relationships involve, then go for it! Seriously, who cares who or how many you love? … as for children within a poly household. Well, too many kids don’t get enough parental love and support in this world, and that is tragic. What could be better than having multiple parents showering love on you!
Catherine
18 Mar 2012If that is the life that works for you then bless you. While it is not my cup of tea, I think it benefits the kids the most. What child would not want to come to a parent everyday? Or to know they are always going to have a parent at all their school activities. What goes on in the bedroom is not the definition of this family! What does define them is the huge amount of love they have for each other and their children.
Beth
18 Mar 2012I know quite a few polyamourous groups; I even tried it myself, on the grounds that I wouldn’t know if it worked for me if I didn’t. As a result, I can confirm that I am very monogamous! However, many of the people I know are very happy with their polyamoury, and it works for them very well.
I know a lot of politicians like to equate poly relationships on the same level as they do homosexual relationships: i.e. barely above bestiality on the morality metre. But I stand in favour of poly relationships being as qualified as any other for marriage or civil unions. If the people involved are consenting adults, who are we to tell them their love is less valid than that in a mono relationship?
Dana
18 Mar 2012Love is love and if three people love eachother how is that or ANY form of love “ew” It takes someone strong and coincident to be in a relationship like that. definitely takes trust, and it’s not for everyone.
Karen
18 Mar 2012As long as all the people in the relationship are of legal age; and any kids involved are ok with it; and everybody is happy with the situation, feeling loved and not left out, etc; I have no problem with it. And it sounds like these folks and the kids are all very happy, so it’s all good.
Drag
19 Mar 2012The only issue I have with poly relationships are those that come from religious or tribal bullshit where people (ESPECIALLY WOMEN) have ZERO say in the matter.
If all of the people involved are consenting adults choosing to life like this out of preference, then it’s not anyone else’s business.
Frankly, I think that from a standpoint of survival of the “family unit” the more adults who are both working and bringing in income and caring for any children, the better.
I do not believe for an instant that monogamy is what is the end all be all for all human beings, and to live with other people that share you views on this is far more heathy and productive than pretending you can be or want to be monogamous, and being “stuck” in a relationship with a monogamous person that makes you miserable.
I have to give kudos for the people who are willing to shrug off societal constraints for what they know is right for them.
Jon
19 Mar 2012its interesting the sexual stereotypes that come into play:
in the article it was stressed that the womenfolk initiated a relationship first, yet I see a post suggestive of male domination as a concern when a poly relationship starts.
There is also a post deriding religious or tribal versions of polymarriage, specifically if the female component/s have no say or choice in the matter. As to my understanding, arranged marriage is arranged by both families.
Also poly marriage is not limited to multiple wives, particularly around the sub-continent:
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/643539?uid=4&sid=21100670268801
I would feel blessed to have and to share the love of many.
Jaclyne
19 Mar 2012If people are in present time of Now. and are intuitively acting through their deeper consciousness. then go for it.. everyone is mature enough to deal with themselves, mentally and emotionally in a responsible manner.
What I find though… is a lot of posers…who say they are all about love…unconditional love yet…but are really about control and getting for themselves…they are not in it for what is highest and best of All. So emotional games get played and people have to either submit, fight for what is right, or leave.
I do feel every child needs to know their solidity of parents from each gender, and the responsibility of the parents to hold their responsibility to raise the child till they are mature enough to fend on their own.
… though I also completely grasp “It takes a community to raise a child.” Which is always the one thing I have heard from Poly women, is that they appreciate the experience and rarely is their parental burn out!!
molyca1986
3 Jun 2012This is such a wonderful story. I’ve recently come out as bisexual, but have discovered that I’m truly polysexual. My husband and I have an open relationship, but if we could find that special someone to be our third, we would remain a closed-relationship triple. All of those involved would be mature consenting adults and the ONLY way the relationship works is being honest and being able to share the love between all of us. I do long for that day to come…